Below are various quotes from people on various sides of the Accessibility vs Difficulty Debate, a number of them taken from the sources cited in the bibliography separately posted. I’ve tried to represent common threads of the debate, as well as the sometimes heated and personal tone of the discussion.
Disclaimer: These are snippets, no more. In almost every case, the expanded views of the authors are more nuanced.
Jorie Graham
Stephen Dunn
Adam Kirsch
August Kleinzahler
Billy Collins
Brian Henry
Mark Halliday
Matthew Zapruder
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What is the purpose of literary criticism? Among other things, to guide the reader past his or her resistance. Most art, subtly or aggressively, resists the familiar. Poetry in particular suffers from this resistance, because poets take the material that we depend on to operate in and make sense of the world (language), and bend it to other, often seemingly obscure, purposes.”
Bill Knott (in response to Zapruder)
Ted Kooser
Reginald Shepherd
Steve Kowit
Let us, by all means, have a poetry of the most incandescent verbal pyrotechnics, of the most restlessly experimental and original design. Let us have poems that astonish the reader at every turn. Let our poets attend to making it new with nearly as much fervor as they attend to making it true. But on those occasions when we fail to communicate, let us no longer imagine we have succeeded at something larger and grander. Let us not blame our failures on the intellectual poverty of our readers, or on their inability to register complex ambiguities, or on their irritable reaching after fact…. Let us no longer be gulled into imagining that rhetorical sophistication and verbal panache in the absence of genuine, communicated perception can create a poetry that is genuinely complex, textured, multilayered, exploratory, intuitive and profoundly insightful, a poetry worth careful study. They create, rather, poems that are hardly worth reading through once. ”
#1 by Garth Stanton on October 12th, 2009
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A couple of thoughts on this topic of accessibility vs difficulty – a rather contrived difference, it seems to me. Every poem written is accessible to someone, albeit that may be few. On the other side, a poem acessible to many by whatever criteria you use, can also be difficult but the effort is rewarded by the reader finally grasping whatever the poet is trying to communicate. Maybe the skill of the poet to make this rewarding and less work is what we mean by “accessible”
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Poetry seeks, not so much to teach as to transfer the essence of the poet’s experience – feelimgs, insights, joys, sorrows, etc. – to a listener and not be too explanatory about it, which leads to wordiness and dilution of truth. All the poet’s gifts of language, insight and sensitivity are used to create an offering for whomever can make use of it. The success or lack of it in achieving this goal may be the best definitions of accessibility and difficulty in a poem.
Garth Stanton
#2 by Catharine clark-Sayles on October 12th, 2009
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I like the distinction of “complex” and “obscure” I will worry at a complex poem until I find some nugget of image or emotion or sound that resonates and try to follow it through a very murky maze provided the poet leaves a few clues to teach me how to read him/her. So many poets seem deliberately obscure for the sake of making a maze that only the initiated few may penetrate and I may puzzle out a few coded references but poetry as a breathing living music is lost to puzzle solving. Some poets are accretional–sense will arrive only after long immersion.
#3 by Marilyn King on October 13th, 2009
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I, too, am bored with transparent poetry and find the distinction between “complex” and “obscure” useful. Reading the obvious feels like a waste of time as my heart cries out: Please, give my a good image, metaphor, or symbol to chew on! Tell me something I don’t already know. Catherine Clark-Sayles’ statement that “Some poets are accretional-sense will arrive only after long immersion” brings to mind my first encounter as a young student with Hopkins’ “God’s Grandeur,” to which my first response was “HUH??” But I stuck with it, cracked the shell, and revelled in the delicious meat of it. It soon became my favorite poem, which was a tall order, as I didn’t believe in God. It’s precisely because “There lives the dearest freshness deep down things” that digging for the poet’s meaning is such an exciting and worthwhile venture.
#4 by Matthew Zapruder on October 13th, 2009
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Thanks Roy for working on these quotes and links, they are quite interesting.
I do hope that people who are interested will read the whole essay from which the quote and “exchange” with Bill Knott are taken, here:
http://www.poetryfoundation.org/journal/article.html?id=186047
though watch out for the divisive and more than occasionally sociopathic comment stream.
I think it will be clear that the point of the essay is not to advocate for one side or another in this so-called dispute, which I don’t even believe in, but to propose other more productive ways of reading poetry.
Knott, who is a terrific poet but an argumentative person, is setting up a straw man here — me, unfortunately for me — as if this essay were about explaining or justifying complicated poetry no one reads. Which it is not. Though I must admit to being slightly thrilled with the term “condescending Zapruderism,” which is sure to catch on at all the elitist poetry gatherings throughout the land.
#5 by Roy Mash on October 13th, 2009
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I agree with Matthew that Knott misconstrues the thrust of his article. Truthfully, I felt bad about including Knott’s comment, especially as MPC will be hosting Matthew on the panel next April.
I did decide to include it, however, mostly because Knott’s response gives a sense of how heated and personal the discussion can become – on both sides. (See, for instance, the snideness Kleinzahler’s review of Keillor’s book, starting with his title.)
The Knott quote also exemplifies another common feature of the quotations: misrepresenting the views of one’s ‘targets’. For instance, Brian Henry’s reduction of Billy Collins to a character assassin is, to my mind, a tad unfair.
Anyway, I apologize to Matthew, and hope this can serve as a springboard for non-cable-news-like discussion.
#6 by Matthew Zapruder on October 13th, 2009
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Oh Roy, no need to apologize! I just wanted to clarify my position, since Knott totally misrepresents it, and in fact characterizes it as the opposite of what I am actually saying.
#7 by Roy Mash on October 22nd, 2009
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Alan Cohen in his poem “Ashbery & the Dandies” mentions an interview with Seamus Heaney which touches on our topic. Here are some excerpts from that interview (conducted by Dennis O’Driscoll):
“Dennis O’Driscoll: What are your thoughts about accessibility
and obscurity in poetry?
Seamus Heaney: At the moment, certainly in younger British poets, on the example of somebody like Paul Muldoon, there is a genre of poetry which exults in its far-fetchedness and in which privacy of reference is not an anxiety. Oblique in a way that collapses the distinction between the elusive and the allusive. The internet quality of the information that is pulled into the poem is part of the poem’s self-fashioning. SO, there is a dandyish, show-off, and stand-off quality to some of that writing. There’s a touch of the late-metaphysical swanky-fancy mode there. I am a slower reader myself and have to be convinced that there’s a chance a payload is going to be delivered.
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Dennis O’Driscoll: And the avant-garde?
Seamus Heaney: It’s an old-fashioned term by now. In literature, nobody can cause bother any more. Hon Ashbery was a kind of avant-garde poet certainly and now he’s become a mainstream voice. The work of the “Language Poets” and of the alternative poetries in Britain … is not the charlatan work some perceive it to be; however, these poets form a kind of cult that shuns general engagement, regarding it as a vulgarity and a decadence.”
#8 by Roy Mash on October 31st, 2009
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Re Marylin King’s “Huh” comment: Marylin, what if you never get past the “huh” response to a poem, no matter how many times you come back to it?
Moreover, what if the very idea of the poem is to cause huh-ness. So that if someone finally gets the poem, then the poem has failed for them?
#9 by Marilyn King on November 1st, 2009
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Roy,
I think that writer might be a literary sociopath, in which case, I wouldn’t give him/her the time of day. There have to be enticements that pay off early on for me to persist. Since I am a melodrama-free zone, really negative stuff does not pique my curiosity.
#10 by Robin Lee on December 11th, 2009
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Like in all Art, most poetry doesn’t work (see my Nemerov Blog contribution for clarification). But the poetry that does succeed, succeeds on both sides of this debate. Look out for it and enjoy it.
#11 by Roy Mash on December 11th, 2009
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Robin, Can you give an example of a poem that is unquestionably experimental / avant garde, and that succeeds for you? (I liked the Nemerov poem, but I wouldn’t call it avant garde.)
#12 by Zara Raab on January 31st, 2010
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I very much enjoy the give and take, the repartee, of these quotations. (And thank you for the thorough bibliography.) They appeal to my lower instincts for eavesdropping; they’re both titillating and unseemly. Impulses and decisions about poetic ease or difficulty, meaning or opacity, occur at a preverbal level, arising from the poet’s relationships in and to the real world and others in it. These impulses and decisions may be “discussed,” but are not likely to be influenced significantly by such discussions.
#13 by Roy Mash on February 4th, 2010
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Ah but, Zara, where do you stand on the issue?
As I see it, there are, broadly speaking, 3 main responses serious readers of poetry have to the debate between the accessible and the experimental. Some clearly favor the Ashbery / Graham / Armantrout end of the spectrum; some favor the Collins / Oliver / Kooser end; and some ecumenicalists like it all without any special preference for either mode.
Though, I think some people take the ecumenical road as a way of avoiding the heat – since taking a stand risks being labeled an elitist on the one hand, or as a light-weight on the other.
Nevertheless, I do wonder where your preferences lie?